Thursday 13 May 2010

Mirza Ghulam Ahmed Vs Mirza Mahmood on 61:06

Jesus (PBUH) gives glad tiding of a Messenger after him in Bible which is also mentioned in Quran in Sura Saff




وَإِذْ قَالَ عِيسَى ابْنُ مَرْيَمَ يَا بَنِي إِسْرَائِيلَ إِنِّي رَسُولُ اللَّهِ إِلَيْكُمْ مُصَدِّقًا لِمَا بَيْنَ يَدَيَّ مِنَ التَّوْرَاةِ وَمُبَشِّرًا بِرَسُولٍ يَأْتِي مِنْ بَعْدِي اسْمُهُ أَحْمَدُ فَلَمَّا جَاءَهُمْ بِالْبَيِّنَاتِ قَالُوا هَذَا سِحْرٌ مُبِينٌ



And remember, Jesus, the son of Mary, said: "O Children of Israel! I am the messenger of Allah (sent) to you, confirming the Law (which came) before me, and giving Glad Tidings of a Messenger to come after me, whose name shall be Ahmad." But when he came to them with Clear Signs, they said, "this is evident sorcery!"

Al-Qur'an, 061.006


Mirza Ghulam's Understanding of this verse:
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Its strange that Allah mentions the demise of Jesus in His book whereas the people still consider him alive. This has created a lot of fitnah (trials) in Islam. Jesus is taken as The Self-Existing and The eternal while Prophet Muhammad is taken as “dead” on earth; when Quran narrates the shahadah (testification) of Jesus يَأْتِي مِنْ بَعْدِي اسْمُهُ أَحْمَدُ “and bringing good tidings of a messenger who cometh after me, whose name is the Praised One.” This means that if Jesus’ soul has not left his body yet than Prophet Muhammad S.A.W has not landed on earth too. The teachings of Islam clearly tells us that when Jesus’ soul will be left without the encumbrance of body; only then will Prophet Muhammad’s body arrive on earth. The reason for this that in the ayah the arrival is mentioned in comparison to the departure i.e when one goes in THAT world, the other arrives in this world.

(Aina Kamalat e Islam Page 42)

He was also named Ahmed so Jesus had prophesized about the same name “and bringing good tidings of a messenger who cometh after me, whose name is the Praised One.” This (Ahmed) means that the one who praises Allah the most. It is also true that one praises the other when he takes something from the other and the more he takes, the more he praises. If one is given a Rupee then he will praise accordingly but if he is given thousand bugs, he’ll praise 1000 times more. Therefore, it is obvious that Prophet Muhmmad got most of Allah’s blessing. The name is prophesized to be the heir and owner of immense blessing.

Prophet Muhmmad’s (S.A.W) name is Ahmed which Jesus had mentioned,يَأْتِي مِنْ بَعْدِي اسْمُهُ أَحْمَدُ “and bringing good tidings of a messenger who cometh after me, whose name is the Praised One” indicates that there’ll be no prophet between me (Jesus) and Prophet Muhammad. ( Al-Hakam 5 31-Jan-1901 Page 11)



وَمُبَشِّرًا بِرَسُولٍ يَأْتِي مِنْ بَعْدِي اسْمُهُ أَحْمَدُ “and bringing good tidings of a messenger who cometh after me, whose name is the Praised One” has glad tidings. It has two dimensions. First, Prophet Muhammad S.A.W himself was a glad tiding that ended the prophet hood in Israelites.
(Al Badr Vol 1 Jan 1903 page 75)



Mirza Mahmood's Understanding of This verse:
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Regarding the prophecy Ismuhu Ahmad contained in the Holy Quran (Al-Saff, 61:6), my opinion is that the passage contains a double prophecy, relating to two persons, one a counter-type and the other his prototype. The counter-type of course is the Promised Messiahas, while the prototype is the Holy Prophetsa. The passage under reference speaks directly about the counter-type. A reference to the prototype of course comes in, but only indirectly inasmuch as the countertype of a Prophet necessarily presumes the existence of his original. Thus the verse does furnish a prophecy regarding the original Prophet from whom the immediate subject of the prophecy derived his dignity. The prophethood of the Holy Prophetsa was not a derived one. He was an original Prophet who was not indebted to any human teacher for the grace of prophethood, but was himself a dispenser of grace to others. To consider him as a recipient of spiritual Truth about the Split 59 grace from any human teacher is in my view a detraction from his proper dignity. For these reasons and on certain other grounds, I hold the opinion that the subject of this prophecy is primarily the Promised Messiahas who is the reflex of the Holy Prophetsa and the counter-type of Jesus Christ. But the whole question is one regarding which no decision on the basis of revealed authority has been left by any of the Prophets. Any discussion of the question therefore has little more than mere academic interest. If any person holds a different view regarding the interpretation of the verse, all that I shall say is that he is mistaken, but I shall never deem him, on that account, any the less an Ahmadi and much less shall I deem him a sinner. In short, the question as to who is the proper subject of this Quranic prophecy is not at all of such moment as to make it a problem of any great religious importance. (Truth About The Splt- Page 58-59)

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For these reasons and on certain other grounds, I hold the opinion that the subject of this prophecy is primarily the Promised Messiahas who is the reflex of the Holy Prophetsa and the counter-type of Jesus Christ.
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My question to Qadyanies is to whom you are going to follow?
Did Mirza ever claim that He is primarily prophesied in that verse or Mirza Mahmood Ahmed had a better knowledge of Quran than Mirza???



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